These 2 jiu-jitsu moves are dangerous and I do not recommend doing them. Both of them are illegal in judo and they are also illegal in some situations, competitions or belt colors in BJJ.
I have received a knee injury from both of these moves and you will see one of them in the video below.
I can tell you that you will not want to be on the receiving end of one of these moves gone wrong.
It’s not that they always cause injury, but it’s that they often enough cause injury and when they do it’s often serious.
- Kani basami (scissors throw)
- Jumping guard
#1 Kani basami (scissors throw)
When I lived in San Fran there was one purple belt there that did this to me. I didn’t get an injury, but it was close enough and very sketchy feeling.
Then like 4 days ago or so I was sparring with a new classmate here in Fukuoka standing up trying some throws when the next thing I know my knee turns in and I feel it pop.
I hit the ground and I am in pain. My opponent was around 220 I’d guess and tried a scissors throw, but I didn’t know that until I saw the video.
It’s dangerous and not worth it. You can see how my knee looks in the video above. Fortunately it could have been worse. I don’t know what happened to it, but I would guess that it is was a minor MCL tear or it just got stretched.
Minor MCL injuries usually heal on their own. I got one in my other knee like 20 years ago snowboarding.
Don’t do it.
Oh, and it’s NOT just me.
If you want to see more injuries from this move then do a search for:
- kani basami injury
- kani basami gone wrong
#2 Jumping guard
I personally think jumping guard is kind of a woos move…
And of course I think that now because I got hurt from it. And well anyone that does judo probably also thinks that.
You would never do this in a street fight, probably never if you are smart. And you don’t ever see this in the MMA.
Why not?
Because if you do you are going to get slammed into the ground and punched in the face.
Now it’s a move that’s relatively easy to do, but it’s dangerous.
Here’s what happened to me back in 2016 or so.
I used to go to CCSF in San Fran for judo and jiu-jitsu classes. That day we were doing judo competition practice where you bow, step in, bow and then start going for the throw.
But this guy also weighed well over 200 pounds decided to jump guard which is something you can’t do in judo anyways.
My mistake my not so compassionate teacher said, haha was I was going backward. And I wasn’t on my toes.
So he jumps guard and lands on my knee. He never made it to my waist. It hyper extended my knee backwards. If you weigh 50 pounds more than your opponent you definitely don’t jump guard.
It was really painful and the MRI said I had a bone bruise and a torn meniscus.
I was out for 2 months.
Now…
This is not only me.
Do a search for:
- jumping guard injury
- jumping guard gone wrong
And you will see some nasty looking injuries like the one in my video above.
Last words
You have to consider your training partner. You can’t just do a “hail mary” move and hope that it will work out because your partner is going to suffer like I did.
Do you want someone to do that to you?
If you’re a big guy or just bigger than your partner then you need to respect the difference.
It’s possible to do these moves correctly so that you do not hurt your opponent, BUT how often do you do moves 100% perfect?
Let’s say you are good at arm bars from the mount and you do one 90% perfect and smooth, but you hit the guy in his head when you bring your leg over his head.
That’s no big deal because your partner might just get a bump or bruise.
For that move.
But for these moves if you are just a little bit off and/or your opponents position is too then that can lead to a terrible knee injury.
Don’t bother with either. There are plenty of throws and take downs out there to learn.
More on training at my new school in Fukuoka.